they regulated. tavis: how much of the drama we have years of the obama administration have specifically to do with the people that he chose? bad personal c? >> i have tried very hard -- i had a lotdisagreements with secretary geithner. i to am always tried to do what he thought was best for the country -- tim to do what he thought was best for the country. that was very much the regulatory framework, correcting markets, wall street is king. this will benefit us all. it was that kind of a mindset. i think we did a fresh mind said. i suggested paul volcker to be secretary of treasury. they just had a different philosophy and a different perspective about how you get to a broader economic interest. they thought taking care of wall street would take care of our economic interests. i wanted tompose some pain and suffering. tavis: how to describe -- how would you describe your relationship with tim geithner? you mentioned that you had a bumpy relationship. here is a guy who was pushing for your ouster. called the work with somebody -- how do you work with somebody who is pushing to have you ousted?